vaccines

Because vaccines are not 100%. We are all aware of this. Break through infections happen even while vaccinated. It’s medically negligent to not vaccinate your kids. I don’t willingly associate with people who are medically negligent.

@SquishyMommy1 if you have done research, you would see that kids are dying after getting vaccinations. going in with a common cold, getting vaccinations, and then that night will have seizures or pass away. in texas a reported death of measles but the kid didn't have measles.. he got the measles vaccine and died from that. they said it was measles because when they tested him, he had it, but it was because he got the vaccine. in 1999 the autism rate was 2-10 per 1,000 people, now, the autism rate is 1 in 36 children. people are noticing side affects of autism after getting vaccinations. in 1984 there were 4 vaccines RECOMMENDED for children.. now your kids will get more than 50 shots before they reach adulthood. you see an increase in mental health, autism, sickness, etc.? obviously there's other sources such as the things they put in food nowadays and technology, but everyone is missing the bigger picture.

I have done my research. Not vaccinating is medically negligent.

@SquishyMommy1 that's sad

What’s sad is people not vaccinating their kids.

@SquishyMommy1 what about the doctors who recommend not to do so after years of vaccinating because they've seen how it started to cause issues?

@Jasmine I’m not sure what your point is. I went to one of those Drs. He was insane and medically negligent and should have been charged with malpractice for many reasons. And was. He also did a lot of other non medically supported practices. Almost the entirety of the medical community agrees. Vaccines save lives. Not vaccinating your kids make you a medically negligent parent.

@Jasmine exactly. doctors will just hand you a vaccination exemption form when you ask most of the time, instead of asking why and saying that goes against them, because they know.

Not here. In fact they are legally required to tell you the risks you take by not vaccinating your kids.

We're still believing the vaccines cause autism bullshit in 2025? Have you seen how the doctor lost his medical license for spreading that misinformation and how small the sample size was and the flaws in the science? Ridiculous that anyone still says that and means it. Autism rates have "risen" due to a greater understanding of symptoms, especially in girls and women, and the uptick of research and general understanding. Plenty of people had autism in the past, they were just shamed and hidden away from the general public or learned how to mask.

@SquishyMommy1 Here they tell risk that can happen with vaccinating. It's easy as heck to get different exemption forms. You've been to one of those doctors but there are thousands of them out there that are highly accredited and plenty willing to sign exemption forms Not to mention the medical practitioners who decided not to vax their own children which is extremely common as well

I also just googled and it says the child who died of measles in Texas was unvaccinated. I'm not sure where you saw they "died from the vaccine"?

There is not thousands of them. My Dr after we moved signed my exemption forms. Even though he HIGHLY disagreed with our choice to not vaccinate. I finally stopped being medically negligent in 2020 and vaccinated my kids.

@Amber anti vaxxers like to twist the truth to fit their agenda. I know. I was one of them.

@Amber my nephew showed no signs of autism up until he was 6 months. he looked us in the eye and responded to us and after vaccinations he started showing signs. he wouldn't make eye contact or respond when we said his name or kissed him and found out later on that he had autism but was not born with it

@Incognito Then you don't understand how autism works. 6 months is actually the earliest signs develop, but most start between 12 and 18 months. Correlation does not equal causation. I can tell you with 99.9% certainty he would have still had autism if he had not been vaccinated. There's a reason it's not diagnosed in infants and young toddlers. Just because I eat dinner and throw up later doesn't mean the food I ate is what made me sick. Would you rather your nephew die of the measles than be autistic? Because that's pretty messed up even if vaccines do run the risk of autism (which they do not).

I mean seriously people. A one minute Google search. You aren't born with signs of autism, they begin to develop over time.

Do unvaccinated children get autism? Do you think they show symptoms from birth? If it was present at birth don't you think they would find a way to test it and include it with the newborn screening? The logic just doesn't make sense to me.

@Amber you cannot say with 99.9% certainty. you are not a doctor. and actually that is false. you can see signs as a newborn such as lack of eye contact, limited engagement, or absent gestures.. which as i said, my nephew was good with all of those up until 6 months. people don't usually KNOW up until that long if their kid has autism because they are not looking for it and think it's normal for a newborn to not make eye contact and engage with you. but signs can present sooner than 6 months

Alright I concede you are correct that newborns CAN show signs of autism, but it also can take up to 2 years for symptoms to develop. You have no way to determine what would have happened without the vaccine. And I'm not a doctor, but I did do 3 semesters of a BSN program, have spoken in length to actual doctors on the topic, and know how to read scientific articles. Making eye contact and then later stopping is not unusual. When bad things happen we all look for a reason. This reason is dangerous though and has the potential to hurt many others outside of your own family. I'm done discussing this now for my own mental health. At least your nephew is alive, unlike that child in Texas.

@Amber okay, have a good mental health break

@SquishyMommy1 i truly wish this was the case. I wish it was just me twisting it to fill my narrative. I wish I able to vax with a clear conscious like yu all. I do. I had all mine growing up. Mostly everyone I knew did. I wish it was that cut and dry. No one wants to be "anti vax" to be called crazy and negligent. We are doing what we see if best for our children from the data we are presented. (In my case) from data my child's doctor has shown me out of having his own practice for years 🙃 The majority can be wrong and has plenty of times in history. ESPECIALLY when it comes to the medical field. Remember when they laughed at the one doctor who said washing hands was important? How he was mock and ridiculed and "canceled" (in their own way at the time) turns out he was right.

@SquishyMommy1 do we Remember when they thought infants couldn't feel pain? Or black people? The wide majority believed this. They were wrong. Remember when they thought lobotomies were the answer? They were wrong. THALIDOMIDE for pregnant women? Caused horrible birth defects. They used to prescribed smoking for asthma. Morphine, heroin, and alcohol used on infants for teething? NORMAL doctors told people to do this. Shock therapy and LSD used to. Autistic children because they thought it would cure them? CRAZY. All this to say that Medical Science has never just been CLEAN. They are people too. People who make mistakes. People who can and have been wrong. People who are still learning. The difference between you and me as an "anti vax" (which im not) is I believe vaccines are an area we are still learning about and are not Always the safest option ALL the time for Everyone. And no one should be shamed for doing what they think is best for their children in light of that

Shaming someone for trying to keep their child safe whether it's a way you agree with or not is wild. Especially when it's backed by "Science" and Credited Professionals on both sides. 🤷🏽‍♀️

You are definitely an antivaxxer. Sorry to break it to you. I was once one too. People should be shamed for not vaccinating their kids. Be mad about it 🤷🏼‍♀️. It is medically negligent and irresponsible.

@SquishyMommy1 ahhh so you just wanna feel right. Not have a conversation. Understandable. Im not mad just disappointed Lol Also me personally I am not anti vax. I'm not opposed to shots completely. I do think a lot of them can be life saving. There are some down the line I'm not opposed or for my sons getting. I will decide with their doctor and my husband as the time comes along with research to see what we will do. Though at the moment I lean more towards not getting most if any at all. If my husband says otherwise and gives good evidence and reason that can change very fast. Unlike most people I'm not stuck to one side or the other. 2 things can br true at the same time. Some vaccines save lives. While there are also some who can do more harm than good. 🤷🏽‍♀️

It’s not about feeling right. Vaccines save lives. The evidence is very clear. It is absolutely the biggest parenting mistake one can make to choose to not vaccinate their kids.

@SquishyMommy1 you're so closed minded that you won't even consider the fact. so many things have been "facts" just to find out later on it was false. how do you think kids lived through life in 1980 without getting all these vaccines? kids have not always gotten 50 shots in their childhood but people still seem to be alive and well without them.. how do you figure that?

I’m so open minded I stopped being an idiot and completely changed my stance after 17 years and vaccinated my kids like a responsible parent 😘

@SquishyMommy1 so there should be no choice? Thats slippery. If we start prescribing one thing for everyone because it saves life whether you agree or not? What about medications like blood thiners? Those save lives. Should they be given to everyone because of that? No because some people take other things that will respond bad with taking both. Or penicillin??!! This absolutely has saved lives. COUNTLESS. From so many types of infection. Yet it can't be given to everyone because some people are allergic and would respond horribly from taken it. Should everyone be Forced to take these? Shoukd the be given as one size fits all? Just because they save lives? No because some people bodies don't respond the same to the same things. It's like this with food, with medicines, with metals, with materials. Have you met anyone with a latex allergy? I have. How is it so hard to believe it could be this way with vaccines as well? 🤔

Just more antivax rhetoric. I used those lines too. Come up with some new material 😂😂😂😂😂

@Jasmine there is and always will be a choice. No one will hold you down or your child down to get vaccines. That however doesn’t make the choice to not vaccinate a responsible one.

Additionally having a medical reason to not vaccinate of which there are. And why medical exemptions exist. Is very different then simply choosing to ignore science 🤷🏼‍♀️

@SquishyMommy1 wasn't there a time "science" told us the earth was flat? people thought water only existed on earth. later found water on other planets. an atom used to be considered the smallest unit of matter, later proven false. but sure, everyone should follow blindly because it's "science" and "science is always right"

@SquishyMommy1 Ok ill stop here I'm giving great examples for compelling thoughts and good conversation on this subject whether we agree or not. I dont expect to change yur mind just like i doubt yud expect to change mine i just thought yu wanted to talk and have productive conversation but yu don't wanna talk yu just wanna talk shit and feel morally right 🤣 ill leave yu be. The point i was making is nothing is Clear and Cut. And no one should be shamed for trying to navigate things where there is no clear cut answer. Everyone whether they want to or not should have the right to without being shamed for it. 🤗

You’re really not giving great examples sorry to tell ya. Putting society at risk if something people should be shamed for. Sorry. Not sorry 🤷🏼‍♀️

Science is ever evolving. Which is also why we have more vaccines now than we did when I was vaccinated in the 80’s. As you keep trying to unsuccessfully use as an argument 😂. Vaccines save lives.

I wish other people would start chiming in here, but I'm sorry incognito I have to address something you said because it is so wrong I cannot believe you truly believe that. "How do you think kids lived through life in 1980 without getting all these vaccines?" Are you serious? Do you seriously not know how much life expectancy has grown and how many children DIED in the past. People who are anti vax are operating from a place of EXTREME privilege in the modern era. Things like measles, polio, and TB for example absolutely killed many people in the past. My grandma is very republican but also very pro vaccine because her best friend died of TB in elementary school. I work with the elderly and many of them are the same. Conservative but very pro vaccine because they were alive to see all of the people who were dying from now preventable diseases. Mothers 100 years ago would've KILLED for the opportunity to vaccinate their children. Instead they died.

People literally had bigger families because of the rate of childhood death so they could be sure at least some lived to adulthood. Do you not believe this statistic? https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/vaccines-account-for-40-of-the-decline-in-infant-mortality-over-the-last-50-years#:~:text=Infant%20mortality%20rates%20have%20plummeted,to%20less%20than%203%25%20today. This article is the most informative I've found. They recognize every potential bias and explain how they accounted for it when doing their research. It was also spread over the entire world as opposed to focusing on a specific country or continent. Just from 1990 to 2010 global childhood mortality fell from 8.8% to 5.7% (12 million deaths to 7.6 million annually) as measles vaccination rate rose from 73% to 84%. It's all in the findings. Saying children didn't die in the past without vaccines is being intentionally obtuse. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4757942/

I would let my vaccinated daughter around unvaccinated children. Because if the measles is going round, I know she’s got the protection from the vaccine, and I don’t have vulnerable family members to worry about. But I understand some do. Just unlikely they’ll be long term friends as I doubt the parents and I would see eye to eye. Vaccines do more good than harm. Of course there’s a risk with all of them, side effects can and do happen, but I weighed that up against the risk of the diseases they protect against, and made a decision I can live with. It saddens me when I do meet parents who choose not to vaccinate as most of them where I live cannot clearly articulate why, they’ve been brainwashed by social media and that’s frightening. They haven’t made an informed decision, or weighed the risks. And misinformation on social media is going to be more deadly than any of these diseases.

Incognito, that simply isn't true https://publichealthcollaborative.org/alerts/myth-circulates-that-vaccines-caused-the-texas-measles-outbreak/ There is no evidence that the death was caused by the vaccine. Before vaccines childhood mortality was much, much higher https://www.instagram.com/reel/DGLXD_wseKD/?igsh=MTJsdGJmZW12MnQ4Yw==

@Jasmine although they did laugh at and ridicule the doctor who said washing hands was important, data was collected and he was shown to be right. Imagine if you were alive at the time, why would you believe in germs which you'd never heard of and couldn't see? Data overwhelmingly supports vaccines, most notably the fact we don't have to go funerals of toddlers.

Incognito, in 1980s vaccination rates were still very high compared to zero. You need to be comparing to 1800s to make this comparison

Incognito, science has never 'told' us the earth was flat. We have known it was a globe since 500BC. You're right that science changes and we should change our mind in relation to the data. In this area there are organisations who are antivax pumping huge, huge amounts of money into spreading misinformation and disinformation. We also need to consider bias of information

Please don’t use hospitals when your antivax children get sick then. Cuz science is wrong? Don’t use thermometers cuz that’s science. Don’t use marinades cuz that’s science don’t use your car cuz that’s science. Please don’t use anything that is here because of science. No more internet no more phone. No more transportation. Yall cherry pick too much. The reason why some don’t let their kids around unvaxxed is cuz we have susceptible family members. My sister has lupus and is back on dialysis after her transplant has finally failed. It took me 24 yrs to find her. Much like my child I’ll do anything to keep her safe too. It’s not just about me it’s about my whole clan.

@Amber they acting like the last iron lung survivor didn’t just die in the last year… 🤪 yall can literally watch him plead from the iron lung to get your kids vaccinated. Talked about how hard it became to get parts for his iron lung too. It’s something my parents (adopted) don’t like to talk about. My mom is “anti vax” but still vaccinated us. Because she’s only anti vax for changing vaccinations like the flu. Which I had to explain to her is not really antivax. She was anti the hpv cuz she thought it would encourage sex…doc was like nah it’s the cancer I’m worried about.

@Queen exactly! There are still so many diseases we struggle with that we haven't found a vaccine for yet, please let's not start bringing back the diseases of the past that we're close to eradicating...

@Amber they don’t realize that it took 60+years to almost eradicate the measles only for them to completely reverse the progress with that New York outbreak a few years back. Like okay how many kids died in order for the development of those vaccines and now we’ve undone it. No wonder the earth has sped up its natural disasters we are walking disease bombs distorting and destroying her beauty. I’d love to point out tuberculosis is still the number one global infectious killer and it’s 100% curable and treatable. Just need fresh air… imagine that… people needs get out their little echo chamber newflash the world is bigger than your city state country continent. And we are not the only intelligent animals on this planet.

I think it's funny as hell when people wanna fight squishymommy on this when she was the head of an antivax group at one point. She has heard every single argument there is. 😂😂😂

@SquishyMommy1 I'm just curious what made you change your mind in 2020? Because I feel like the total opposite happened to a lot of parents with the Covid mRNA vaccine being forced on children and the guy who literally invented it (Robert Malone) was warning people that it was going to do long lasting damage to organs, etc. And there were not long term studies on that particular vaccine at that point. You can believe in science, but still demand proper studies and testing. That's literally the point 😅 I'm NOT arguing with anyone about vaccines, that's a waste of time - but I am just so curious as to what made you change your stance if you're willing to share your story?