Boys and toxic masculinity “red pill” content

I think the way people raise their sons will be a big influence in whether or not they get sucked into this content or not, granted it could happen to anyone, but I think it’s less likely if the son is raised around men who are confident in their identity and not afraid to show emotions, with parents who teach them that men and women are equals and teach them not to be afraid to share their emotions and be emotional

I think we will face different challenges by the time they are teens, but yes, I worry about any misinformation they will be exposed to via SM.

However... Did you know women are also enforcing this mentality? So equally women have to give a healthy place to men in their lives.

I could forgive my boy anything except for being a Tate fan.

But education starts at home, and with a feminist mother, respectful father and an older sister he looks up to more than anyone, I hope we’re good. The amount of misogynist material out there scares the crap out of me though

It worries me how many people have chosen doesn’t bother me… it should bother them…

that’s all well and good until their friends influence them otherwise. And let’s not pretend like it doesn’t happen to the kind and respectful boys, I work in a school and I see it happen.

I have a boy and I’m making it my mission to raise him so he is respectful of women, polite and emotionally intelligent.
I am due my little girl in a month and I’m honestly more worried to have a daughter. The way some men treat women and the pressure on young girls from social media scares me way more.

the chances are he probably won’t be influenced but you still need to be clued into what’s going on and be vigilant. To say there’s absolutely no worry is naive.

I agree with Charlotte. It’s just as scary having girls and worrying that they will be subject to the vile comments and behaviours of these boys. I will soon have 2 daughters and I prey we raise them to know their worth and how a woman deserves to be treated

I think you’ve misread my comment. I said chances are he probably WONT be influenced. I very clearly did not say he definitely would end up that way. Sounds like you are vigilant which is what I said again is important. But your original comment did make it sound like you had zero concerns. That’s where I said you still need to be aware.

I know the kind of parents we are and growing up with a toxic male I know how to properly direct him even when it comes to friends, social media, TV etc

Dreading having a son is harsh but yes, I am very VERY worried about my son watching that kind of content. It's everywhere.
I will try my best to raise him to be kind and respectful, but also know the world can humble you real quick.

I am obviously also terrified of my daughter falling victim to those kind of men. Don't think anyone said that wasn't scary???

I think being aware of imparting your values on your child as you raise him will have a huge impact. Not just letting life happen to him. Eg. Being sure to show humility, demonstrating it and going through life with humility, respect for others and grace is really important.

I find a lot of people can idolize their sons and pretend they do no harm ever, when they have. So they go through life not ever taking accountability for their actions. Let’s change that! We can raise boys to be confident, but we can raise them to also be self-aware and NOT self-inflated. They can be leaders, but also not delusional to what other people think and feel.

I’m tired of seeing boys/men (even in my own family), thinking they do no wrong ever and won’t ever apologize for being buttheads. Not helping around the house, not stepping up, not being good family members,expecting women to work circles around them, but “know their place” still. It’s embarrassing honestly.

yep I think in the past and maybe now lots of parents just let life happen to their kids as you said, without actually having the conversations that need to be had on a regular basis and teaching them good values during everyday tasks and events

tbh the ones who aren’t bothered are the ones whose sons will most likely end up that way

yes but with strong values, self worth and confidence I don’t think it is necessary as likely, I think it tends to be the boys who haven’t been raised with much care or affection and are looking for something to identity with, to give them the power they feel they’re lacking. With supportive parents who have taught them their self worth and raised them with strong personal values, it’s far less likely. Of course it could still happen, but we can’t control or decided that, all we can do as parents is do our best to raise kind respectful and confident sons

honestly this is absolutely comical 😂 you’re putting 2 and 2 together and getting purple. Explain to me exactly where in my commends I sounded like a boy hater?

I don't have a son but, one day my daughters may* end up in a relationship with boys/men. What is the 'red pill' content?

Why is there so much hate towards men. I have a son and it always seems to be girl mums who spread hate. It actually worries me what mother in law my SON will get

none of what I have said comes from any place of hate. It comes from a place of deep concern for boys growing up in this day and age, my concern for their mental well-being, my concern for how hard it must be to display any emotions in the age of super masculinity. I just had a video of my cousin pop up in my memories on Facebook. When it was posted, none of us knew how deep he was in his depression. Not until a few months later we got the call that he’d killed himself. Maybe if he’d been able to talk about what he was going through he’d still be here.
I’m also a teacher and watching first hand the boys whose mums say they are kind, respectful angels, I watch as that’s shed the moment they walk through the door. I’m seeing the pressure they’re put under by their friends, their peers, their older siblings, even their own dads. The pressure to be uber masculine. I watch what it does to their self esteem. And then I watch as they take that and tear down the girls around them.

And us “girl mums” as you refer to us as, we are terrified for the future safety of our daughters. Because it’s not all men but it’s all women. Every woman I’ve ever spoken to has a story of something a man has done, whether it’s misogyny, harassment, discrimination, assault. No one is saying it’s going to be every single boy that does that but we know the terrifying statistic that it’s highly likely something like that will happen to our daughters in their lifetime.

I highly encourage you ladies to go watch to go watch some Destro Reborn on YouTube and see how a lot of men are viewing us ladies… my husband is red pill (before it got twisted&toxic ) and i honestly agree with a lot of what these men have to say NOT Andrew Tate tho lmao

it definitely can be, yes. But think about how much time a teen boy spends with their parents and how much time they spend with their friends or online? Kids are amazing at masking.

Tbh I think it’s harder for men in this society to talk about their feelings than it is for women. I really don’t think the comparison is the same. And I’m saying that as someone who has battled depression and anxiety for nearly 2 decades.
I get the fear you’re under. I think all parents regardless of which gender children you have are scared. I’m scared for my daughter’s safety in this world. So I’m going to raise her to understand her self worth and to not let anyone make her feel less than she is.

From a red pill perspective, men and women simply don’t follow the same timeline of value in the dating market. A woman’s sexual marketplace value peaks in her youth, when beauty, fertility, and low baggage make her most attractive to men who instinctively want to invest in their own offspring. This is also why it isn’t unnatural for a man to hesitate about dating a woman with children evolutionarily and practically, men prefer to build with someone who can give them a fresh start, not raise another man’s kids. Men, by contrast, often begin life with little to offer and must earn their value through money, confidence, and status. Because those qualities typically develop with age, men’s desirability peaks later in life, which is why older, established men often attract younger women. In this view, women who delay relationships or accumulate baggage risk losing leverage in the dating world, while men who focus on growth gain options over time.

Little boys are being exposed younger and younger to the idea that women mainly want a “high-value man” My husband plans on being real with our son, WHICH I AM A TAD WORRIED ABOUT LOL but he’s already made it clear that he’ll be teaching him these truths himself so he grows up prepared instead of blind… boys tend to grow up with people telling them the gentleman talk to her about your feelings be a nice guy, but the reality is most women don’t ever go for the “ nice guy”

this has to be rage bait. You have to be a bot. Because I refuse to believe that you think the that money, confidence and status are the only things of value that your son will someday have. That’s horrifying.

This really doesn't have to be a girls vs boys discussion.
As someone who frequents the Internet quite a bit and a huge gamer you cant take two steps out there without having red pill propaganda shoved down your throat. It's a serious issue most boys will face, and yes - the true fall out is usually a girl as they become the target of boys anger.
I think this is actually a great discussion and worry to bring up on a mum platform. Let's share what we are doing to help our sons through this instead of pointing fingers?

Unfortunately, it’s not rage bait it’s just the truth. And to be clear, I don’t only value those things I actually value a man with integrity and strong family values far more. Money and status don’t mean anything to me personally but unfortunately, they mean a lot more to many women than you might think.

I know it comes off as startling at first 😭💀 like believe me it sounds crazy i know this but unfortunately, it’s becoming the truth and you don’t have to agree at all. I’m not trying to argue or anything like that but this is what a lot of men think and I mean a lot I’m just trying to inform women what men actually think about them as superficial and disgusting as it may seem…

This is why I am careful of what mothers I become friends with to protect my son

A lot of women agree with you and thinking that they’re basically describing an immature young woman/child that’s also where women get the idea of us being groomed if we marry young and stuff like that which I totally get, I can really see both pictures.. It’s actually a fact that by 2035 a large percentage of women are projected to be single and childless. & It’s because more and more men are choosing to leave women alone when they see certain behaviors and mindsets that make building a family or long-term relationship almost impossible. And to be fair, a lot of us women are starting to do the same thing too. I can really go on and out about this stuff because I agree with a lot of it and I disagree with some of it as well. My husband watches he’s very interesting. Shows about context like this and thousands upon thousands of men agree I just want women to know how men are starting to view them so that we don’t get blindsided..

I see problems with the mentality when it gets to far but I also see nothing wrong with men having superficial values women are attracted to men in high power with money this is a lot of the younger generation as well.. We have fresh 18-year-olds becoming prostitute and strippers as their first job rather than going to work at McDonald’s like a normal person and men don’t like that😭😭 and that’s why the younger generation of men are deciding to also leave women alone women encourage women to have “hoe phases” and stuff like that I’m actually worried about my son dating then I am for my daughter dating..

I worry about raising my son and what influences he will have outside of what my husband and I teach him. But I also worry about how he will be viewed simply for being a boy.

The most important thing to do is to model healthy relationship dynamics in your own life. Treating partners as equals, having a mutual respect, modeling healthy conflict and problem solving

As someone who works in mental health with a primarily older male population, I worry a lot about toxic masculinity. For many of the people I see, they were raised with the idea of solely being a provider and burying all emotion. I want to raise my son to know it’s ok to feel and express things.

It is worrying for sure. I have a 6 year old son. But I will obviously just try to do my best to raise him well. And I think what said is VERY VERY important. My husband is a fantastic role model for my son. He treats me like a queen and as an absolute equal, praises me, respects me. Hopefully these things will be enough.

I’m sorry but what is this red pill?

Toxic masculinity has always been there, we just have wider access to it and honestly I have concerns with what my kids can access but this is not a concern for me. I raise my kids to freee, they don't have to conform to gender specific roles and love & respect are deserved irrelevant of sex.

it’s absolutely not the truth and I’m really scared for your well-being. To see yourself and then in turn your daughter as only as important as what value you can bring to a man is horrifying. You need to seek out some help.

I don't have a son, but I do think about it sometimes on the chance we ever did. The redpill content is alarming and I can think of even a handful of family members who have gone off the deep end or are getting there.

My mom said to me a few times "everything starts in hearth and home." I've taken that very much to heart. When I start to feel the external pressures of society and things I can't control, I remind myself of what I can control - my family's values, how I raise my children, how I model behaviour and relationships. Everyone's first and primary influence is in the home, and I try to focus on that. Raising your kids right will help them navigate these external pressures confidently, without fear or prejudice (because lbr a lot of the redpill content preys on fear).

It's absolutely terrifying. But we are planning to combat it as much as possible to build a strong foundation while he's young. He has many amazing male role models to look up to as he grows, including a truly feminist father. We also plan to leave the US by the time he starts school, while I know it's a problem in other countries as well the places we are looking to go seem to have less of an issue with it overall.

I just had a son. I think about this a lot. I’m going to do my best to raise him to love and respect people, but especially women. I would be so ashamed if my son turned out to be disrespectful towards women.

you must live under a rock if you don’t think that’s the truth but that’s totally okay.. I live in reality and no one ever said that I think women are only as important as what value you bring to a man I never said that to correct yourself.. I said that’s the way a lot of men view women and I will be teaching her that

I was going to say that, if I ever have a daughter I would worry for her growing up and being pulled into mean girl groups and becoming a bully

but you’re allowing their other parent to raise them to believe that, making it ok in their eyes. What I said is the reality of the red pill movement that you are essentially promoting here and to your children. I hope they see the value they bring to the world in themselves not through the eyes of someone who won’t value them for what they’re actually worth. That’s a sad existence otherwise.

you are absolutely correct in both paragraphs that you said which just proves my point even more it doesn’t matter if it’s not right what matters is that it’s the reality.. You’re not even using the word misogynistic in the right way either there’s more misandry in this world than there is misogyny.. do you know how many women go around parading that they hate men and wish that all men would die I’ve even seen women that are pregnant with a little boy that they’ll get an abortion because they don’t want to add to the male species.. and I honestly think it’s a offensive to say that only young gullible women who don’t know better for these type of men when that’s not true at all.. Everyone is so quick to call it grooming women have preferences why can’t men? There’s so many women out there that won’t date a man because he’s too short. Why can’t a man say I don’t wanna date a woman cause she’s fat?

and that’s completely understandable I think men should be that way, you got lucky and landed yourself a good husband I wish more women could do the same. That’s why we need to continue to teach the younger women exactly what not to look for in a man.. but the problem is a lot of women ignore the red flags

I completely agree and couldn’t have worded that any better

I only have daughters but I do worry about other peoples sons because my daughters will grow up in the same world with them

I'm more worried that my son will get judged for being a white male.

Everyone should read Men Who Hate Women! A great book and so eye opening!